They’re All Right—Riiiight!
I had an interesting conversation with a workmate the other day. I am not certain what was the lead-in topic. However, at one point, he noted that he had some Muslim relatives who have put their children in Catholic School. I nodded my head, acknowledging the information. Then the talking took an interesting bend:
He:Do you know what the teacher told that child?
Me: (Not having a clue where this was going) No, what?
He: They were talking about religion and when he said his parents were Muslim, they said that his parents were wrong!!
Me: (Confused–really!) You did say it was a Catholic school, right?
He: Yeah. So?
Me: I mean, what did you expect? It’s not a Catholic school for nothing, right? I mean, if they sent him to a Republican School and his parents were Democrats or something they would say that his parent’s political beliefs were wrong. You would expect that.
He: Well, you can’t say that to a young kid. I mean, think what that puts him through!
That one took me back. Public schools teach about birth control and homosexual sex and homes with two mommies or two daddies. They will allow if not encourage pregnant teens to get abortions without parental consent. They spend time showing young people, male and female, how to put condoms on bananas. None of those activities can cause emotional turmoil in a child. But if a Catholic school actually believes that they are the correct religion and therefore Islam is not, we should then bring in the straight jackets? Give me a break!
I sat there in my own silent and confused turmoil. That’s when I should have seen it coming, but didn’t.
He: Yeah, well you can’t have one religion say they are right and the others are wrong. They are all right!
Me: Huh? If they say mutually exclusive things they can’t all be right. That’s not even a logical option.
He: Huh? (It was his turn.)
Me: If religions teach different things, especially in their core beliefs about God, man, and responsibility, then they can’t all be right. You are left with only two alternatives: either one is right and the others are wrong; or, they are all wrong. Them all being “right” doesn’t work and makes no sense at all.
He: Hey, all religions exist only to get people to believe that something happens when they die. To get them to feel better about it. Not to think that you close your eyes and darkness..
At that moment, the phone rang and the working day went back into full swing. I wasn’t able to get back to the problems with his Freudian viewpoint about religion and death. Still, the whole “all religions are equal” fantasy is part and parcel of the American philosophy. I understand it would be hard to shake since it is pretty much the cultural air we breath. Certainly, religion is not allowed in America to influence our political and/or legal decisions. That wall of separation is the ultimate American value.
Even Christians fall prey to this mode of thinking. Even Christian Conservatives. Witness The Thinker‘s series on Islam, Muslims, and America. Overall, it was a great series of posts in applying the American Political Philosophy to the issue of the Muslim religion. To very badly summarize the arguments from that series (please go read it yourself), in essence the priority should be “God, Country, and Religion.” This is the “hierarchical belief system predicated upon those who settled the new nation.”
As I noted in my comments on that site, I find it hard to conceptualize making “God” higher than “religion” since religion defines the nature of the God of which you believe. This system only worked in an environment that was raised basically Christian or with the same basic, underlying conception of God (such as Judaism). It only worked when that majority religious view was basically catered to (whether such catering was constitutional or not). In short, you could be any religion you wanted as long as in your behavior and ethics you acted like a Christian (whether you attended church or not.)
It then worked even when the Enlightenment/Deist view became predominant and God was not really all that important anyway. (Then, like a public school teacher, you could be any religion you wanted as long as you behaved and taught like a secularist/materialist.) We could do lip service to God but that was about it. Then we could move on to the really important things like politics and science. God, Country, and Religion was okay as long as you behaved like Country, God, and Religion were the real hierarchy.
So that is why the whole system is being threatened by those who take their religion seriously, whether it come from the “Christian Right” or the Jihadist Muslims. They don’t follow the rule as set so eloquently by my co-worker that “all religions are right” and “they only exist to supply a fiction to make people less unhappy about their demise.” Since some religions that are “right” under this system tell their followers that strapping on explosives and blowing up buildings is the way to be “less unhappy” about your death, I think this rule has developed a fatal flaw.
Nor do the pundits of the Enlightenment crowd, the elites in government or education, know how to handle this paradox. Therefore, they appear to constantly be in a state of appeasing the group that uses violence to achieve their aim, in the misguided hope that eventually they will settle for less than total supremacy. They also attack the group that whose founder was less inclined to legitimate violence since they are the easier target of which to relieve your frustration.
The problem is that this approach will not stave off theocracy except at the cost of chaos and destruction. It was propped up by a “soft” theocracy under at least the values and structures of its previously Christian majority. As it rejects even this lukewarm rule of the Christian God, it exposes itself to the harder theocracy of Sharia. As I see the West capitulate to more and more of the resident Muslim population’s cultural demands, it is not hard to figure out where the trends will lead.
This may ultimately end up a war of theocracies. “Choose this day who you will serve.” If [Allah], then serve him; if YHWH, then serve Him. The Enlightenment compromise is running out of steam and did not stand up to logical scrutiny anyway. In fact, unless we have the logical consistency to look Islam in the eye–like that hated Catholic School–and tell them their religion is wrong and we are right, I fear the war is lost anyway. We may not have any more buildings come down (though I predict we will), but it won’t matter. They will have won without it.
Mecca is east. Unless the West as a whole starts getting more cultural resolve I advise buying a carpet and a compass. You are going to need them.
October 7th, 2007 at 9:58 am
A Wild and Whacky Sunday Reading List, October 7, 2007…
This is a crazy reading list, something for everybody. I’ve gone far out to find these articles. Up, down, right, left. Besides “Bush Says Islam Is a “Great Religion that Preaches Peace;” and “North American Union Police in California, have…
October 7th, 2007 at 10:06 am
Great article. All religions are right, that makes no sense at all. I agree with you, it is a Catholic school, what would folks expect them to do? Promote Islam? Of course not. Your recollections of school are the same as mine. I ended up OK in spite of the junk they tried to teach us. I had good parents and strong faith.
Also, you have it exactly correct: God, Country, Religion. Some people don’t understand that Faith and Religion are two completely different things. Religion, it it’s true sense, is man-made. But that’s an entirely different article …
I’m Christian, but I’m also Baptist.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Hey Caine:
Apologies for such a late response (ten days) quite unlike me; however, after reading your posts, admittedly I needed a bit of reflection time which I felt appropriate with due-respect to you.
Okay…here goes:
I can agree with your perception of “allegiance” and the ancient world; indeed, your reasoning sails wonderfully up to the notion of American philosophy. Then well I think we get off-topic; I do understand the notion of internal feelings and external actions, we are after all discussing humankind. However, I must disagree with your summation that a person can have on one allegiance.
Of the second part:
Caine: As I noted in my comments on that site, I find it hard to conceptualize making “God” higher than “religion” since religion defines the nature of the God of which you believe.
Thinker: I admit that we have a communication problem when it comes to God and religion. As for me as nothing is higher than God. Religion, on the other hand, is quite different insofar as it involves man’s thinking and reason which I’m sure you’d agree are not always in the best interests of God.
If I may, religion should define the nature of God, albeit, that is simply not the case. If religion did define God and served for the foundation in which entire civilizations placed their morals, values, ethos, and was taught in the home, then under those circumstances I agree.
Most non-denomination Christians I know have a huge separation with the notion of God’s interactions with humankind and the concept of religion. They see religion as man-made and quite literally, void of God. (And Debbie, that is my original heirarchy.)
I think I should split this reply. Cheers!
October 16th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Back!
Did I say thank you in my earlier post? I haven’t had this much intellectual and theological stimulation since school!
Of the third part: Most of the argument is pretty affirmative up to this point; all things being equal, I have a small problem with switching the order, unless that is based on opinion. Whenever behavior becomes an issue, then issues have a tendency to become subjective rather than objective.
It is not unrealistic or unnatural to view the hierarchy in any order as long as the action is predicated upon a God first scenario belief/faith system.
Under different circumstances, I would have written: “God, Family, Business” however, I am rather new at blogging and don’t want to offend anyone. However, the aforementioned hierarchy is scripture based.
October 16th, 2007 at 11:22 pm
Oops! I forgot one, but it’s okay for now. Did I mention I love what your doing here?
Also, just a quick blurb: The fundamental difficulty that most people have with Catholics is in the notion of supremacy issues. During graduate school I taught at a Catholic school where 97% of the enrollment was non-catholic. Yet, the same utterances and jokes were told by the staff.
One last thing…If people who espouse to be US Constitution experts looked at separation between “The Church” and the State I believe they’d understand the document so much better. Without this mindset, I find most folks are basically illerate in what the founders were trying to do. Cheers!
OMC
October 23rd, 2007 at 6:32 pm
onemorecup,
I agree our issue may be the definition of “religion.” The Christian believes that fundamentally his religion was not formed by men but by God, at least on the basics. The scriptures are “God-breathed and adequate for training in righteousness.” When a Christian wants to know what God is like, he looks to Jesus. When he wants to know what Jesus is like, he looks to Scripture. Therein lies the ultimate authority.
Maybe when you refer to “religion” you mean a particular denominational affiliation or interpretation. If so, then we agree. But in terms of the more “generic” term of “Christianity” then we do not. Christianity as a “religion” defines for us God because ultimately we believe God defined Christianity in Jesus.
One might note Islam makes somewhat the same claim. Islam is defined by the Koran, which are God’s words through his prophet. Since these words change (with the later words over-riding the earlier statements) then the picture they reveal of God also changes. But there is no question that the “Muslim” religion defines the God of that religion.
Christianity says the god of Islam is a false God. Islam says the same about the god of the Christian religion (unless it is corrected by the Koran). In both systems, though, you would have to admit that somehow separating God from their defining religious contexts would be meaningless. Instead, it would create the Enlightenment god of our present society. Nice, but basically castrated and impotent.
Such a god will not stand or hold against militant Islam. Only an equally vigorous Christianity stands a chance. Castrated gods need not apply.